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Two items appear below: 1 Creationism, ID and Science; 2 To Williams on Creationism CREATIONISM, ID and SCIENCE
Anonymous (Investigator 108, 1996 May) EVOLUTION
AND CHRISTIANITY
Many Christians accept evolution. James Jauncey, president of Kenmore Christian College, wrote: …the place of God as the creator cannot be called into question for the simple reason that science cannot concern itself with ultimate origins… For instance, if it should be that science should ultimately conclude that some form of evolutionary process is the explanation of the origin of all living things, then the most that could be deduced would be that God in his wisdom used such a process. (c.1960)A retired science teacher and school principal wrote: I am convinced Creationism and its close ally, Intelligent Design, should be rejected as they fly in the face of reason… I am a regular worshipping church attender and I believe in the theory of evolution. (Michael Ford 2005) Another example
is Kenneth R Miller, teacher of biological science at
Brown University, who authored Finding Darwin's God (1999).
Other Christians, however, reject evolution. Australia has the Creation Science Foundation, run by Christian Fundamentalists, which publishes Creation magazine and a website: www.AnswersInGenesis. The Foundation's magazine, Creation, says the Universe was created in six days, 6,000 years ago: There are many Hebrew words for long-age concepts, but the words used in Genesis 1, can, in that context, have no other meaning than that all of creation was in six ordinary earth-rotation days. (Volume 22, No. 1, p. 52) INTELLIGENT DESIGN
"Intelligent
Design" (ID) began when conservative Christians founded
Discovery Institute in 1990 in Seattle, Washington. Discovery Institute
finances creationist publications, lobbies politicians, infiltrates
school boards, and calls evolution "a theory in crisis".
Its main books are:
Creationism and
ID are allies and both focus on complex structures and
the probabilities these originated "by chance". ID differs in:
In 2005 the
Campus Crusade for Christ mailed a DVD titled Unlocking
The Mystery of Life to Australian schools.
The DVD
includes comment by ID author and biochemist Michael Behe. He
says: "I remember the first time I looked in a biochemistry textbook
and saw a drawing of something called the bacterial flagellum. It had a
propeller and hook region and the drive shaft and the motor. I looked
at that and I said: 'that's an outboard motor – that's designed. That's
no chance assemblage of parts.'"
Two years
before Behe's book came out a creationist magazine Creation
Research Society Quarterly used the same flagella argument. (See
references)
An open letter, representing 70,000 Australian scientists and science educators responded to the DVD:
CREATION
MAGAZINE
Someone loaned me three copies of Creation: Volume 22 No. 1, December 1999-February 2000 Volume 23 No. 3, June-August 2001 Volume 23 No. 4, September-November 2001 We'll now examine these magazines. GENETICS
AND VARIATION
Dr Walter
Veith (22 No. 1), a South African zoologist, speculates on
unknown "mechanisms for rapid variation" – apparently indistinguishable
from rapid evolution.
He believes there was a worldwide Flood and only a few hundred "kinds" survived. These survivors changed (evolved?) into millions of species in a few hundred years. This, however, is evolution a million times faster than demonstrated by paleontology, genetics, and geology! Thus rejection of slow evolution requires belief in unproved rapid evolution! Furthermore,
the notion of a "kind" is not part of biology and no
"kind" has been identified. Science teaches that all current life
evolved from previous life of which about 300,000 species have been
found as fossils. Creationists claim all current species came (evolved)
from "kinds" of which none have been identified.
Veith also
claims, "death and bloodshed among animals only commenced
after the Fall of Adam." (p. 37)
How then did billions of peaceful animals with eternal life change into dying predators, dying parasites and dying killing machines that preyed on each other? I think He [God] used the existing genetic material and just reorganized the way it was expressed. (p. 38) Thus a stupendous
miracle supposedly altered the genes, physiology,
ecology, digestive systems and enzymes of most animals, fish and
insects worldwide! Instant evolution without trace of the previous
biological world!
The
fossils worldwide – even in rock layers hundreds of metres thick –
supposedly originated almost instantly in Noah's flood:
ASTRONOMY
and EYE WITNESSES
Creation denies the "big bang" origin of the Universe: God created the world in six normal days… (23/3 pp 20, 22) No creationist
observed God create. Yet Ken Ham (22/1 pp 39-42) claims
that a young Universe is based on "eyewitness" testimony:
However, if we weren't there in the past to observe events, how can we know what happened…?
Astronomy
teaches that gravity collapsed a rotating disc of gas and
dust over millions of years forming the Sun and planets. Telescopes
reveal other solar systems in various stages of formation. But Creation
says astronomy is wrong:
If the Sun came
on Day 4, what lighted planet Earth and controlled its
orbit before Sunlight and Sun gravity? God did it supernaturally!
Sarfati denies that the "solar system collapsed out of a cloud of gas"
because the planets "would rotate in the same direction" but Venus
doesn't. Its reverse rotation supposedly proves God set up the Universe
instantaneously.
However, computer simulations show that the "collapse" involved
collisions of matter over billions of years, some collisions so big
they changed the rotation of planets. Uranus rotates backwards too, as
do many of the Solar System's moons.
Venus has fewer asteroid-impact craters than Mars. This, to Sarfati,
suggests a young Venus. However, astronomers conclude that Venus was
"resurfaced" about 500 million years ago by volcanic eruptions and/or
asteroid impacts and this wiped previous impact craters away.
Creationists believe their interpretation of the Bible from the start irrespective of science. Ham admits: Another writer says of the "Noachian global Flood": …evolutionary scientists scoff, deliberately ignoring the eyewitness account of that very event. (23/3, p. 7) However, no
ancient human could have witnessed a worldwide event
because Earth's roundness limits how far people can see. Also the
"eyewitnesses" are unconfirmed people like Noah and Adam. No
creationist was there as eye-witness and saw Noah, God or Adam!
Furthermore science doesn't just trust "eyewitnesses" but investigates the truth of what they say they saw! RADIOACTIVITY
Potassium-argon (K-Ar) dating is often used to date solidified lava.
In Radioactivity Dating Failure (22/1 pp 18-21) Andrew Snelling
says that samples of New Zealand lava flows that occurred in 1949, 1954
and 1975 were sent to Laboratories in Boston for K-Ar dating. The
calculated ages were 0.25-3.5 million years for 50-year-old samples!
Says Snelling: How can we trust the use of this same 'dating' method on rocks whose ages we don't know? … However, we know Someone who was present when all the earth's rocks formed – the Creator Himself. He has told us when that was, in His eye-witness account in…Genesis. (p. 20)We're told radioactive dating is based on three assumptions:
These assumptions
are wrong, we're told, and that's why scientists
calculate millions and billions of years instead of 6,000.
However, scientists allow for the above arguments:
In dating the
rocks all relevant available information is considered,
not just the three alleged assumptions. For example:
Another Creation
article (23/4) discusses "The collapse of
geologic time" based on measuring "radiohaloes". This is too complex to
explain here, but Greg Neyman (see reference section) responds to it.
COMPLEX ORGANISMS
Creation has many articles about animals and plants and
their adaptation to the environment. The line promoted is always: This
could not have evolved; Therefore God created it.
For example: Design is a far better explanation than random mutations and selection to explain the specialized features of the sea dragon… (22/1 p. 54) Such
conclusions – without God showing his creativity in controlled
tests – is mere assumption. If the stages by which something originated
is unknown then the logical conclusion is that it's unknown.
Creation reasoning in effect says:
Creationists
don't state the first premise because it's obviously false
– since unexplained things can have prior conditions other than God.
For example the unique arrangement of gravel outside my fence and how
it got there is unexplained – but God didn't put it there!
With the first premise false, the third is false also. ANTI EVOLUTION
In A Whale of a tale (23/4 10-14) Ken Ham and Carl Wieland
criticize a book by geneticist Steve Jones.
We read about Jones: "rambling", "shakes his fist at the Creator God",
"regurgitates", "indoctrinates", "weaves a web of deceit", "cleverly
set up a straw man for unsuspecting readers". We read of Jones'
"rehash", "indoctrination process", "blind faith in unlimited
variation", etc:
Like Darwin, Jones sees a world full of death and decay. He would not, of course, accept our sin, through the Fall and the resultant Curse on creation, as being responsible for the mess we observe around us. (23/4 p. 13) This is
emotive, worthless sectarian stuff. It's almost verbal abuse,
mixed with unscientific claims that a "Fall" and "Curse" produced
worldwide biological change.
CONTINENTAL
DRIFT
Science
has shown that Earth's continents "drift" a few centimetres per
year and have joined and separated several times over 600 million years.
Creation
agrees continental drift occurred but claims it
happened about a million times faster!
L Pierce (22/1, pp 43-45) says: "Any continental separation likely occurred during the Flood." Pierce
calculates back from several ancient writers who estimated when
various nations and cities started. Manasses (d. 1187) of Byzantine,
for example, wrote that the Egyptian state lasted 1663 years. So Pierce
calculated 1663 years from when Persia conquered Egypt in 525 BC and
got 2188 BC. This is supposedly when continental drift slowed down
after the Flood and Egypt started.
However, lands can be inhabited long before becoming a "state" – Australia for 40,000 years before Federation. Furthermore, statehood has no connection to the speed of continental drift. And citing Medieval writers as if no research has been done since, is simply silly.
Slow
continental drift, as measured by science, generates earthquakes,
volcanoes, lava flows and tsunamis some so great that nature takes
centuries to repair the damage. What would continental drift a million
times faster do?
POPULATION
Another
AiG argument is based on population. If Noah's Flood was in
2500 BC, it's eight survivors need only increase 0.75% per year to
become 300 million in the 1st century AD.
Populations, however, whether animals, plants or bugs rise and fall. The Black Death in the 14th century, for example, killed 1/3 of the world's people. Because
populations rise and fall it's irrational to extrapolate
current trends back to determine when a species originated. If we
extrapolate 20th century human population trends backwards we would
calculated that humans began about 1500 AD! And if we calculate a
bacterial population back, we might calculate it began a few weeks ago
– so is the Universe a few weeks old?
Creation
says that a long Stone Age did not exist because
"Fossil evidence shows that people buried their dead, often with
artifacts…" This supposedly implies billions of burials along with
artifacts whereas only a few have been found. (23/3 pp 52-55)
However, it's unknown what proportion of Stone Agers were buried with artifacts. What is known is that of billions of people who die every century few become fossils with artifacts. MODEL
Creationists
often speak of their "Creation Model" and claim it's
scientific. Their model is a set of assumptions such as:
This "Model" is
not built upon science but upon unproved religious
belief – upon "Christian presuppositions" – and so is not a scientific
model.
This would
make most of astronomy wrong.For example, most galaxies are millions of light years away and the light took millions of years to reach Earth. But Creation claims the Universe is 6,000 years old and the speed of light was millions of times faster until recently. Most calculated distances between stars would be wrong.
The
relationship between mass and energy, E = MC2, would
have been ever changing.
Chemical changes involving light or energy would have been different. Genetics, paleontology, geology, climatology, ecology, biology and every other science that studies things older than 6,000 years would be wrong. A
scientific model starts with observations which become the basis for
a theory. The theory predicts results in novel situations and if the
predictions come true the theory is considered unfalsified.
The "creation model" is the opposite: It starts with religious assumptions and rejects discoveries that disprove them by pretending physical laws used to be different. Science includes procedures to test competing hypotheses. Reject science and there's no way to test what's correct. Anyone who claims to be correct but rejects science, in effect says, "I can prove something without proving it". He affirms a contradiction. ID
and DOVER TRIAL
In 2004
creationist Christians in the Dover (Pennsylvania) School Board
wanted to add creationism to the curriculum. With legal advice from
Discovery Institute they changed this to giving students a statement
stating evolution has gaps and ID is a scientific alternative, and 60
copies of Pandas appeared in the school library. The case went
to court in 2005 to determine whether the statement violated the
separation of religion and state.
Witnesses including Behe testified about flagella, the identity of the "intelligent designer", how he designed, the definition of science and lots more. Miller, the Christian evolutionist, testified ID is not science. The textbook Of Pandas and People is being revised, the trial showed, to appear less religious. Here are two previous versions of one sentence and a draft of the next edition:
THE
BIBLE AND SCIENCE
The
Genesis story can be understood in ways that don't reject science.
Greg Neyman's "Old Earth Ministries" website, for example,
systematically answers the "AnswersInGenesis" website.
Young Earth Creationism being wrong, and ID being religious, does not make the Bible wrong. I've tested hundreds of Bible statements, including some in Genesis, and submitted the findings to critics. For this I relied on science – and consistency requires that I accept evolution to the extent science demonstrates it. Many Bible statements that I examined appeared false for a while, because science was wrong. But science is self-correcting and subsequent science eventually corrects earlier mistakes. Relying on science risks being wrong for a while. But if we reject science we're left without means of correction and risk being wrong permanently. REFERENCES:
Archer, M; Smith, B; Serjeantson, S and Carnemolla, P The Australian October 21, 2005, p. 15. Ford, M Sunday Mail December 4, 2005. Jauncey, J C c.1960 Science Returns to God, Zondervan, p. 55. Levin, H L 1981 Contemporary Physical Geology, CBS, USA. The Advertiser, November 5, 2005, p. 47; November 19, p. 21. The Australian, October 21, 2005, pp 9, 15. Websites: C R S Quarterly: www.creationresearch.org/crsq.html Discovery Institute: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_institute www.cbs.dtn.dk/staff/dave/Behe.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_pandas_and_people Miller K R http://energion.com/books/reviews/finding_darwin.shtml New York Daily Record: www.ydr.com/doverbiology/ Neyman, G www.answersincreation.org/biogneyman.htm TO WILLIAMS ON CREATIONISM
Anonymous (Investigator 112, 2007 January) John
Williams (#111 p. 18) approves of my refutation of Young Earth
Creationism (#108) and says he and I are "on amazingly similar ground".
However, he "struggles to make sense of this" because elsewhere I
defended biblical teachings about "Adam and Eve…Old Nick…and the Tower
of Babel."
For my investigations I rely on mainstream science. I do not assume the Bible true but check or test its statements using scientific literature. I did this with Creationism, Adam and Eve (See #110), and scores of other topics.
Young
Earth Creationists don't do what I do. They instead start with
"Christian presuppositions". I quoted Ken Ham:
Once the Bible is eliminated in the argument, then the Christian's presuppositions are gone, leaving him unable to effectively give an alternative interpretation of the facts. (#108 p. 41) Young Earthers
thus start with a body of unscientific assumptions. They
did what science fantasy writers do – they imagined a series of fantasy
worlds.
One science-fantasy world has no sun or stars. Another has insects with eternal life. Another has God instantaneously altering the genetics and ecology of all the immortal animals on Earth to make them die. Another has continental drift, the speed of light and evolution all going about a million times faster than they did in reality. And so on. Ken Ham's
quote admits that without such "presuppositions", i.e.
without their fantasy worlds, they cannot "effectively give an
alternative interpretation". My methods are very different!
I don't
know what Williams wants when he tells me to let "ideas speak
for themselves" and "self proof is a contradiction in terms". Is he
telling me not to use scientific evidence?
If I want to check how fast steel balls will fall I would drop a few and time their descent or consult a book on physics. That's science. I investigate the Bible similarly. |